The Wholesome Music Podcast
A DIY podcast about DIY music. Hosts Cameron Ljungkull and Augustus Watkins meet at Secret Spot DTLA to talk shop about indie music, the creative process, and the music industry.
The Wholesome Music Podcast
Music Lawyers / The Truth About Recoupment / Fair Use / Money For Songwriters
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Cameron Ljungkull & Augustus Watkins
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Season 1
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Episode 10
Are music lawyers the biggest secret in the music industry? How do major labels ACTUALLY recoup your money — the math is worse than you think! What is "Fair Use" and how is it impacting YouTube? How songwriters are adapting to the new rules of the music industry. Also, Cameron drops his Chappell Roan hot take.
Links
- Fair Use: https://copyright.wp.musiclibraryassoc.org/statement-on-the-copyright-law-and-fair-use-in-music/
- More Fair Use: https://digitalpromise.org/initiative/360-story-lab/360-production-guide/investigate/360-media/post-production/copyright-fair-use/
- How Music Attorneys Help Artists Navigate Confusing Record Contracts in a Post-Streaming Revolution, Chappell Roan-Enlightened World by Todd Longwell for Variety https://variety.com/2025/biz/entertainment-industry/music-attorneys-help-artists-navigate-confusing-contracts-1236474097/
- Recoupment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoupment
- Recording contracts: https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/recording-contract2.htm
- The music business is splitting in two. Here’s why songwriters are reinventing their role by Tatiana Cirisano via MIDiA Research https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2025/07/how-the-songwriters-are-reinventing-their-role-in-a-divided-industry.html
- MIDiA Research Bifurcation Report: https://www.midiaresearch.com/bifurcation
- Tranter's Label Will Be First to Give Master Points to Songwriters by Music Connection https://www.musicconnection.com/tranters-label-will-be-first-to-give-songwriters-master-points/
Recorded live at Secret Spot DTLA http://secretspotdtla.com
Cameron Ljungkull https://www.cameronljungkull.com
Augustus Watkins https://augustuswatkins.com
Cocaine Opera - Music PR https://cocaineopera.com/